No need to make Starsleeper fly away. Some people see demons, others see angels. I call'em like a see'em.
I never saw any harm in FOTD. It's just a song. I mean, Berkowitz didn't hear Jerry sing FOTD in his head endlessly and then go out and kill lots of people. So somebody has a problem with FOTD. Sounds like MaryE had a problem with Jack Straw. We all have a tune or two that bugs us and rubs us the wrong way. Let it go!
~ Forget about the Dead you left, they will not follow you. ~
My work here is done.
God bless you all
I had dropped it and was never gonna mention it again till lama brought it up and I felt he deserved an answer. I would feel a lot more comfortable if the band didn't play it. I've spent a good part of my life being a Deadhead and enjoying it. I guess one of the hard parts of being a Christian is having to deal evil spirits,but hey, I know that He that is in me is stronger than them all and getting PM's from satan worshippers and such just makes me stronger. Where'd you get the idea I don't like the band? I love them and talk to them as brothers and think they appreciate honest opinions from people even if we are not all ass-kissers who aren't afraid to speak their mind. At least they know how I feel. I never want to bring it up again and if they don't like me and want to get rid of me from this site,well, they know I check the set lists and that, peacefully and quietly,"I''ll get up and fly away".
Then don't listen to it. If you don't like the band then don't listen to them, don't go to their shows or buy their stuff. Very simple logic. I don't understand why you torture yourself? I don't understand why you feel the need to come on here once a week and blast FOTD. You shared your opinion, we read your opinion now the only thing left is to drop the subject right? Maybe we don't know what you are looking for? Are you trying to convince us, the band or yourself that the Dead are/or are not satanic? I feel bad for you becuase it must be really eating at ya. There are many other far troubling things out in the world then a song. It seems to me that you have a lot of energy and maybe it would be wise to focus it on something a little more meaningful. I hope you feel better!
"I've stayed in every blue-light cheap hotel. Can't win for tryin. Dust off those rusty strings just one more time. Gonna make em shine."
just putting in my two cents here, the lyrics are very much from the point of view of the character, and it is left to the listener (as with, say, Wharf Rat) to speculate as to whether or not he is deluded on any particular point.
I do remember back in the day Hunter commenting on people who only hear "We can share the women, we can share the wine..." without actually listening to the rest of the song and seeing where all that leads.
I am aware, try reading Isaiah 45:7, I'm not sure if that is the correct translation of what God meant but God allows evil but has shown us how he wants us to live our lives through his Son. To me that song is like openly worshipping Satan and I think that song attracts some people who may assault,vandalize, and steal from Deadheads and the people in the towns the band plays in and I don't think the band would knowingly want to promote that type of thing. I used to think it was just a fun old song, but words have power and I don't like it anymore. I guess it all depends on what you believe. Love,peace, and harmony, whatever you believe.
... is part of the picture -- have you ever seen a yin-yang symbol? A little bit of the light and a little bit of the dark contrast each other, inside each other.
I read through this interesting interchange between folks and you, starsleeper, touch on something I have been meaning to comment on. It's a tough one for all the deadheads. I don't really know how to broach the subject but, hey, you brought it up so I'll throw it on the table and probably take a ton of reckoning for it. But I've never been one to shy away. That is sure...
So, the devil. I never really thought much about it until I poked my head above water for The Dead tour last spring. I ran into a father and son in Albany. The father was bumming and confided in me that his son was a satanist. I was taken aback... What the heck was a satanist going to Dead shows for? He wasn't just a day-tripper. He was like 40 years old and had been to over 200 dead shows. When he heard his father tell me that he was a satanist he launched into an all out defense of satatanism. He said that satanists were just a bunch of fun-loving fools. A real brotherhood of good-time joes. Fraternity, fidelity, let the good times roll and all that. He made them sound like a bunch of Rotarians! This guy was even proud to show me his newest tatt, a baffomat (goat's head satanic symbol).
The more I thought about this the more I thought about the yin-yang. People are deluded if they think everything is purely white or black. A little bit of each in everything. I think we need to shine the spotlight more closely on what exactly satatnism stands for. Danged if I know what they believe, really, but I do know that Satan (The devil personified) is characterized as the Great Tempter. Confusion's Prince??
People went to Grateful Dead shows for a lot of reasons. Motivation is everything. People spent a lot of money and did a lot of foolish things. People dropped out of college because of the Grateful Dead, a lot of people. A lot of people met their premature demise because of the Grateful Dead. They were tempted. What were they tempted by? A good time, hedonism. The sating of the senses, sensory pleasure -- which is completely delusionary.
It is (was) hard to keep a balance between the good and the bad, believing in neither while realizing that both are a reality. We were all friends of the devil as we were all saints of circumstance. Good people with good intentions had a great time. People with a darker view of things found the ugly side of excess and bad trips. It was all in how you looked at it and how you acted. If you want to see the devil in Friend of the devil, you will. If you want to see a country & western classic, you will. If you don't want to see anything at all, you won't.
~ Just hope you don't get burned. ~
"If one does not abandon the fire, one cannot stop being burnt.
Likewise, if one does not give up oneself, one cannot pacify the problems.
Therefore, in order to pacify the suffering of oneself and others,
Give up self and cherish others as oneself."
from Tibetan Buddhism, leave it if you dare.